73 分 | 作者 le_chuck 19小时前
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- Lerc 8小时前It raises the interesting question of what is the best isolation for a browser side sandbox.
Running a worker.
Running a worker running a js implementation.
Running a worker running a wasm module running a js implementation (quickjs) running some passed code.
Running a worker running what kyu build runs.
And then of course the possibility of a environment where you pass it an integer n and it geneates n levels of. Nested layers with a randomly chosen implementation at each layer.
Security by obfuscurity, is that a thing?
Might be fun to implent the kyu wasm files as an executable format on my dumb cli idea. https://lerc.neocities.org/
(Kyu seems to fight my autocorrect wanting to turn it into you)
- evacchi 12小时前related: "Kefka is a Go-native shell sandbox with coreutils, Python via WebAssembly, and more" https://xeiaso.net/blog/2026/dancing-mad-sandboxing/
- cohix 13小时前I’ve worked with Wasm for about 6 years now (founded a company around it that got acquired, even)
Even though our product was not a commercial success ~3 yrs ago I still believe something like this should succeed and give people choice when it comes to isolation/virtualization (containers, microVMs, Wasm). They are each useful and appropriate for different things.
- Nasser_CAD 13小时前I started working on Nasscad back in early March with the assistance of Claude AI, and it led to Nasscad: a lightweight, powerful, and uncompromising CAD tool. I used to be allergic to HTML, Node.js, and the like. But we have to face the reality that the web stack dominates now—bringing along HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Wasm, frontend, and backend.
- binyu 11小时前Very cool work.
What approach are you using? Been working on a similar in-browser node runtime based on Rust/WASM kernel + Service-Worker HTTP intercept + CJS→ESM transform.
Feature wise, does this compare to StackBlitz webcontainers?
- le_chuck 10小时前I had previous experience with QuickJS - respectively using the rquickjs crate (awesome project) - so my approach was first asserting whether it was possible to run a Wasmtime binary that both executes the JS code and handles HTTP requests and responses.
Then, the second part which was really important to me, was figuring out if I could find a way to embed the developer's JS code within the worker without requiring them to install Cargo. (thanks to Wizer it's possible, love it).
Once I had those two, the rest was basically execution (not saying it was straightforward though ;)
I was also a bit lucky: at the same time as I was developing it, Rolldown announced the version 1 of their standalone crate. So it was the perfect timing to use it as well.
As for StackBlitz WebContainers, I actually don't know much about it. They run in the browser as I understand, so fundamentally different but, feature wise I'm sure this project is way more mature and therefore offers way more features.
- binyu 10小时前Awesome, thanks for detailing the thought flow and choices that led you here. I chose not to go the QuickJS route for performance reasons but I think it's a solid choice depending on the use case.
> They run in the browser as I understand, so fundamentally different
Yes, runs entirely in the browser, while this is a hosted product. StackBlitz technology is really good but it is closed source.
- jahala 13小时前Loving the customer testimonials :D ..
If someone feels like an eli5 - What are the use-cases for something like this?
- Nzen 13小时前I think that this is a plugin library for teams that want to offer a platform for the public (or an LLM-AI) to submit code to. If your team writes some code, you don't generally sandbox it from yourself, you just amend your program: you don't need a sandbox. But, if you want to run code that you don't trust, you should run it in a way that prevents it from causing problems if it is actually dangerous (like a virus or accidentally overwrites your files with blank files). That's what a sandbox like kyushu promises to do.
So, with a sandbox library like this, you could - say - write a website that hosts games (like itch.io or newgrounds) that hosts games on the world wide web. The sandbox part can give you confidence that, if a villain's programmer henchmen uploads a virus instead of a game, it can't infect your platform or other games on the website. Or, if a LLM-AI written game is accidentally tries to take up all the memory of the computer, it can't ask the operating system for more than is in the sandbox.
- zuzululu 5小时前how is it different from firecracker or other containerization ? what makes it secure enough to make those claims?
- le_chuck 12小时前Haha, glad someone noticed those testimonials ;)
Others mentioned better use cases than I could probably come with. Not sure it's a strong use case but, one thing I could maybe mention too is the fact that it ships as a standalone artifact. It's portable and, if reproducible, can provide some sort of guarantee on what's effectively running for those who care.
- egorferber 9小时前it is also perfect for running untrusted user code safely, if you want to buld a plugin system or your own edge functions this can be really helpful
- Nasser_CAD 13小时前ELI5: Imagine you want to run a heavy, powerful 3D video game engine inside a standard web browser or a lightweight desktop app, without making it slow or unsafe.
JavaScript alone can't handle that kind of heavy lifting efficiently. That’s where Wasm comes in. It lets you run high-performance native code (like C++) at near-native speed safely in the sandbox.
For example, I'm currently using Wasm to run a complex 3D geometry engine (Manifold) inside a lightweight CAD app (Nasscad). It gives you web flexibility with desktop power.
- sudohackthenews 13小时前I think they are asking about the tool itself, not WASM.
This tool seems useful for running 0 dependency JavaScript with isolation through web assembly as an alternative to the isolation and ease of use provided by tools such as cloudflare workers.
- utopiah 11小时前> powerful 3D video game engine inside a standard web browser [...] JavaScript alone can't handle that kind of heavy lifting efficiently.
True... but also WebGL/WebGPU on Vulkan/Metal/etc is a thing. You can run shaders on your GPU via the Web already.
- jahala 13小时前Thanks for that!
- zuzululu 5小时前so am I able to migrate my current cloudflare worker API to this ?
- egorferber 13小时前cool idea of a self-hostable alternative ot CF workers without much overhead, compiling it down to a binary makes local testing way easier.
- le_chuck 13小时前Thx! I thought about adding a context to the fetch handler, could be handy for local testing. Likewise, local commands (e.g. dev or watch mode) are not yet there. Those would be next on the line if the CLI starts getting used by others than me.
- abecedarius 12小时前I thought CF workers could be self-hosted? I haven't tried that system but saw Kenton Varda tweeting about running them locally for development.
- kentonv 11小时前Yes, the Cloudflare Workers Runtime is open source: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd
You can definitely run workerd in production on your own machines and some people do.
The biggest catch is that workerd's implementation of Durable Objects currently doesn't work across multiple machines, but I'm working on fixing that: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd/pull/6780
- dupontcyborg 11小时前the customer testimonials were enough to earn my github star
- le_chuck 10小时前I did quite a market research to gather them ;)
- tribal808 13小时前nice site design
- le_chuck 12小时前Thanks! It's actually the first time I started "designing" (I'm definitely not one) everything by picking the theme for the code snippets first. That's why the same colors are reused on the site and even in the logo.
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