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- jonhohle 20小时前Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway?
It’s crazy to me that two decades after the iTunes Store the trade and resale of digital goods isn’t protected by law.
- mgr86 20小时前I work at a nonprofit and the board is largely university librarians. I am asking all of them how have the behavior of their patrons changed in the last five years. How has usage of their subscribed resources changed in the age of AI. They don't share much, but their facial expressions and silence share more than they mean them to. Some universities have cut staff, or reclassified them so that they won't receive benefits.
- _DeadFred_ 20小时前As society's repositories of knowledge, I feel like AI should fall under libraries. Especially considering how AI utilizes others knowledge/text they don't legally have rights to. The carveout we made slightly similar (in that they have special rules for their use) is for libraries.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 14小时前An 8-bay Synology costs about $1000. It'll hold an eighth of a petabyte pretty comfortably (with sufficient redundancy). It's bizarre and disturbing to me how few of you seem to be interested in having your own libraries, even though technology has finally delivered that ability to you. You'll come on here once every 3 months and whine about how we have to do more for public libraries, even though they seem to largely be little more than daytime homeless shelters and free internet for perverts, and you don't even want libraries for yourselves.
The "library" is dying for the same reason the newspaper (and the book!) is dying. Literacy was only interesting for most people as a means to pass the time until they could get their hands on AI slop Tiktok feeds.
I don't need a carveout. Some large fraction of my internet bandwidth is downloading books and whatnot off of Libgen and Anna's.
- HDBaseT 9小时前Libraries serve a lot purpose than you are giving credit for.
Libraries are a general facility for the public, they offer the standard books and other rental type arrangements although they are so much more than that!
- Access to computers
- Access to internet
- Access to printing
- Access to 3D Printing
- Access to Meeting rooms
- Access to Mental Health Services
- Access to Archive Rooms (newspapers, seed archives, etc).
They serve as a repository for everything physical. Most libraries have archive rooms with various artifacts from the region, including newspapers, publications, recordings, etc. Most of this stuff isn't available online.
Visit a library near a University or School and it becomes packed full of students researching and studying, even if most aren't accessing the books, the rooms, desk and facilities themselves are important.
Not everyone is willing to pirate books, willing to setup Synology devices, etc. A library grants an official place to access things in a legal way, easily (and for free!) among many other things.
- bathtub365 13小时前The price for that storage system will be far more dominated by drive prices than by the cost of the NAS box itself. Drive prices have approximately doubled in my area vs. 2 years ago.
This is also generally a selfish attitude where you personally benefit while structures that used to benefit society at large are eroded.
- FDETalkDotCom 5小时前> price for that storage system will be far more dominated by drive prices...doubled in my area vs. 2 years ago.
Absolutely. To get 1/8 PB = 125 TB home library "easily":
We'll use 8 disks in the 125TB library. Between RAID 5 (1 disk lost OK to recover) vs RAID 6 (2 disks lost OK to recover), choose RAID 6 (our disks could fail at same time if of similar production or unlucky). RAID6 means 25% of space used for parity overhead, and 2-5% used for metadata/filesystem.
So looking for about 163TB. 163TB / 8 rounds to 21 TB. This pushes us above 16TB disks. Between 20TB and 22TB, choose 22Tb to feel safe.
Napkin math:
So we're at $1150+$3120 = $4270 for one library.Synology 8-bay DS: $1150 (Amazon price) 8x 22TB Seagate 22TB external 3.5" = 8 x $390 = $3120 (also the #1 least expensive disk per TB for 3.5" external at https://diskprices.co currently)But something cvan happen to that. Fall, fire, water, theft, party. We could lose everything.
So following 3-2-1 we'll have 3 copies, on 2 media, with one offsite.
Copy 2 can be same as first (RAID is for disk redundancy not backup -- we still have one copy only).
By now, 2x Synology 8-bays, plus 16x 22TB disks, puts us at $8540 for what we can keep at home.
But disks only really last about 5 years. They're getting kinda better, but in reality those disks can fail and should be replaced about every 5 years, some people get 10.
So every 5 years, we can want to shell ou;t about $8540. But wait, disks about doubled in the past year. Maybe it'll be $16,000 next time? Hard to say.
We still need a 3rd, off-site copy for 3-2-1. Recent reports indicated Backblaze silently lost data, some people exodused I believe. To where? IDK, but let's pick Amazon Glacier deep storage. At 125TB (just useful data), at $0.00099/GB/mo, that puts it at, over the same 5 years: $0.00099/GB/mo * 125000 GB * 12mo * 5yr = $7,425/5yr
(For the remote copy: can your ISP actually handle uploading 125TB? How long does that take to do once, even half? Is ISP transfer capped? Will 3rd party storage provider change prices or lose data? That's why we have 3 copies, maybe change providers when needed.
In any case, add it on 3-2-1 for 125TB would cost, at the easiest/cheapest: $4270 * 2 + $7,425 = 4270+7425 = $15,965, good for about 5 years.
So, every 5 years, spending $15,965.
At these volumes, are do even have ECC RAM? Are we scanning for and correcting errors with correct data when they occur? We don't want a hobby, we want an appliance, for this library, often especially if we work 99% of the time in tech and have life to live, quite likely.
Let's try another formula: on a shoestring and a hope, one could do it "cheap on RAID 5 (only 12.5% lost to parity and metadata/filesystem) and under-storage without 3-2-1" by going Synology 8-bay ($1150, Amazon) + 8 * 16TB (8 * $410 per https://diskprices.co = $3280) = $1150 + $3280 = $4430
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You know what, 112TB starts to feel like not that much, when we look at the size of some of the libraries out there.In grand summary, roughly every 5 years: Done "right": $15,965 Done "cheap": $4,430 and only 112TB usable.Averaged over 5 years (though it's not) these are:
If a techie makes $150K, that's about 0.6%-2% of income, if we forget taxes (sales or income) entirely.- Right: $15,965 / 5yr = about $3,200/yr (plus tax) for 125TB usable library - Cheap: $4,430 / 5yr = $886/yr (plus tax) for 112TB usable libraryMaybe doable. But it's like owning another car in more ways than one (cost, maintenance/ongoing-care). Some individuals can swing it without even thinking. Most can't.
IMO, if the AI industry or any players would like us to become more computer centric, and make use of all the data that tech now lets us have, its constituents should do something (anything) to drive the cost of disks DOWN, not UP.
- nativeit 13小时前The same argument could be made about any public service. Certainly, if libraries were funded to the tune of $1000 for every household, they would be very different places.
- taurath 8小时前And you'll have your nice library and can read whenever you want from the comfort of your own home, and while most people will pirate shit libraries can be great for making things accessible without a $60/month mobile charge, especially when people can't afford shelter.
> Literacy was only interesting for most people as a means to pass the time until they could get their hands on AI slop Tiktok feeds.
Its funny to me how the people who so readily declare certainty about the future constantly demonstrate their utter ignorance of the human spirit. Whats the whole basis for this country again?
- _DeadFred_ 12小时前[flagged]
- khriss 12小时前> even though they seem to largely be little more than daytime homeless shelters and free internet for perverts
And, of course you know this to be objectively true and hence can produce a valid source for your claim?
- mmooss 19小时前> They don't share much
Why not?
- bombcar 10小时前Most libraries are currently operating under "the donors don't know how they're being used" if you get the drift - checkouts of actual books are way, way down, the vast majority of checkouts are videos, etc; many library users are just using the computers or using it as a study/work/play area.
This may or may not apply to university libraries, but many of the public libraries around here are morphing into indoor playgrounds.
- mptest 15小时前it's gotten scary out there for purveyors of truth and knowledge. book burnings, banning, retributive use of the judicial system, etc..
- uyzstvqs 20小时前Well, that's where digital goods differ from physical goods. But it's also why piracy != theft.
- jonhohle 17小时前> To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
Physical vs. digital is a red herring. It’s about access to copyrighted works. The benefit to authors/publishers comes with a benefit to the public. We’ve lost the latter.
- bfrankline 20小时前Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.
- presbyterian 20小时前They do, but under a completely different system than the way that they do for print books. When a library buys a print book, they can keep it in circulation for as long as they want and it's physically durable, but for digital, they're paying either per circulation or for an amount of time. They never own anything, they pay for temporary licenses, just like you never own the digital media you purchase in most cases.
The point that the person you're replying to is making is that this totally breaks the way libraries have always worked, and that it takes a lot of power away from the buyers (whether that's you or your local library) and puts way more in the hand of the publishers.
- blairbeckwith 19小时前Is there really a meaningful distinction between how libraries treat digital book licenses and physical books when you actually hit reality? My knowledge of how libraries work is very shallow, but I've always understood that they treat physical books as essentially consumable and have fairly high standards for what a "lendable" copy of a book is.
A purely assumptive example, but if a library pays for a 2 year license to lend a digital book, and the average shelf-life of a physical book is ~2 years, what's the difference?
- ndiddy 19小时前I think the practical difference is that the rates that publishers charge libraries for ebooks are significantly higher than what either consumers pay for the ebook or what a physical book costs. See https://archive.is/Ha3VQ for one example:
> To illustrate the economics of e-book lending, the N.Y.P.L. sent me its January, 2021, figures for “A Promised Land,” the memoir by Barack Obama that had been published a few months earlier by Penguin Random House. At that point, the library system had purchased three hundred and ten perpetual audiobook licenses at ninety-five dollars each, for a total of $29,450, and had bought six hundred and thirty-nine one- and two-year licenses for the e-book, for a total of $22,512. Taken together, these digital rights cost about as much as three thousand copies of the consumer e-book, which sells for about eighteen dollars per copy. As of August, 2021, the library has spent less than ten thousand dollars on two hundred and twenty-six copies of the hardcover edition, which has a list price of forty-five dollars but sells for $23.23 on Amazon. A few thousand people had checked out digital copies in the book’s first three months, and thousands more were on the waiting list. (Several librarians told me that they monitor hold requests, including for books that have not yet been released, to decide how many licenses to acquire.)
- bombcar 9小时前One complication with e-books and e-audiobooks (as opposed to on CD) is that since you do NOT have to go in to "get" the book there's really no penalty for putting yourself on the waiting list, and it's long, and I've "checked out" more than one e-book that I never read (it had to be "returned" before I could begin).
- doctorwho42 18小时前The difference is that the books value, even reprints, become lower over time. Until they hit a minimum margin for the construction of said book.
Digital books/content requires little to no cost to replicate, unlike printing new books. But we have seen that the price of that content follows the "physical goods" model. Why should a 30-40 year old movie cost you $20 to steam?
- wolvoleo 19小时前The difference it's that in the physical case the choice is up to the library, in the other it's forced upon them by the publisher.
- JumpCrisscross 19小时前> Is there really a meaningful distinction between how libraries treat digital book licenses and physical books when you actually hit reality?
The main difference I see is the centralisation of censorship vectors. Pulling physical books off library shelves is visible and rightfully prompts a shitshow. Bullying a publisher into not renewing lending licenses strikes me as way easier to pull off.
- PacificSpecific 14小时前My library was recently asking for donations and they said the reason is more people are loaning out digital books which are significantly more expensive. I don't recall the details on the flyer though.
- nemomarx 19小时前They sell them at the end of their life, sometimes, so you recoup a bit of the cost there. And you can also get books donated which reduces the up front cost.
I don't see a good way to do that for digital copies, and of course the expiry would be wholly artificial scarcity for them even if it was only a little bit more expensive than physical.
- doctorwho42 18小时前It really comes back to IP law. In the past, the idea was you own the content for 20-30 years and then after that... It is owned by all of society.
Digital content is a great example of why we should fight back for old IP timelines.
Without it, we stagnate as a society. Our stories don't evolve, they just rot on the vine.
- insane_dreamer 19小时前1) library has control of the decision-making; 2) they can resell or donate the book when it's exhausted its shelf-life
- NoMoreNicksLeft 14小时前>just like you never own the digital media you purchase in most cases.
Any digital asset that's on a hard drive I own, in my own home, is more owned than any most other kinds of properties that there are. The government may not protect my ownership of it, but the government doesn't even know about it... nor does anyone else.
People who are truly worried about this issue shouldn't sit around whining that they don't own their digital purchases, they should instead go out and own everything, whether they purchase it or not.
What made libraries not work is that you stopped wanting to own things. With no one wanting to own things, people and the governments stopped worrying about whether anyone could. And once they stopped doing that, libraries too found out they couldn't own anything either. Without meaning to, maybe, you all did this.
- mjcl 20小时前Even libraries can only license digital content for a limited period of time/loans before being forced to purchase new licenses. See https://www.spokanelibrary.org/the-true-cost-of-ebooks-and-a...
- piperswe 20小时前But those libraries have to pay each time they loan those digital goods. It's not the old "pay once loan until it's dust" model they use for physical goods.
- nemomarx 20小时前can I donate my ebook to them?
- BobbyTables2 8小时前It’s crazier to me that a number of Anthropic managers and executives aren’t in prison.
- NoSalt 19小时前This right here is why I either (1) still buy physical media [my preference], or (2) make sure all digital media I purchased is DRM free. With my physical media, I digitize it, then store the media for any future use.
- 382hi 19小时前I pirate everything. I pay nothing. I have both DRM free and cost free. This is the best of both worlds.
- CSMastermind 19小时前> It’s crazy to me that two decades after the iTunes Store the trade and resale of digital goods isn’t protected by law.
You aren't buying a digital good, you're buying a limited license to use that digital good.
- rangerelf 19小时前That's exactly what jonhohle was talking about -_-
- outside1234 19小时前We need to create libraries like Anna's Archive that are impossible to take down.
Something like content addressed storage spread across many shards running locally that are linked together over Tor.
- rvnx 21小时前Why LLM companies that depended on Anna's archive end up so clean ? Looks like Anna's archive was doing the dirty work, and the LLM companies were reaping the profits (and ironically still do, as they hold the largest databases of pirated content in the world).
Is it because the law doesn't apply to you when you have 1B USD ?
- random3 21小时前While that may be the case it’s hard to make this claim when: - Anthropic settled a similar case - Anna didn’t show up in court
- metadat 20小时前Showing up is a trap for Anna - who doesn't have 5 billion dollars to settle.
- d-cc 12小时前The legal system is a joke which received the amount of engagement it deserves.
As well as their domestic and national security apperatus, actually. Their own citizens are being used to propagate brain-computer interfaces amongst their own people.
- contubernio 20小时前Justice should not depend on whether the aggrieved appears in court. That's a structural weakness of US law.
- TremendousJudge 20小时前is there a country where if you don't show up to court you don't lose by default?
- philistine 19小时前Exactly, how can you credibly mount a defence if you're unwilling to appear? Your defence is that, yours.
- watwut 15小时前You cant mount defence if you dont have tons of money. If you are not super rich and can stay anonymous, showing up to money combat is just dumb.
- Schmerika 18小时前Supposing that to be true... Does justice depend on what every other country is doing?
- nibbleyou 19小时前[dead]
- ffsm8 20小时前Uh, aren't you confirming his opinion with that? After all, Anna doesn't have the money to fight this in court
- YetAnotherNick 20小时前No. Anthropic fought and paid $1.5 billion in settlement and agreed to delete all the copyrighted material.
- ffsm8 20小时前I'm confused here, how is this not even more of a confirmation?
Essentially: have funny amounts of money and the law ceases to matter. Or don't, and be squashed by the right holders
- jstanley 20小时前$1.5 billion is more than $19.5 million though.
- whycome 20小时前Delete? Wasn’t that material already used to train models?
- rho_soul_kg_m3 20小时前All AI companies should be forced to re-train their models without the offending materials, and this should also extend to all LLMs distilled from models exposed to copyrighted works. Also cover code under licences such as GPL as well. Not to mention patents and designs. This whole LLM business is a giant IP laundromat.
- tekne 15小时前One of the best things about it IMO -- or we'd be spending the next hundred years waiting for copyright reform
- musicale 8小时前"Deleting" data they already ingested is meaningless.
- saidnooneever 20小时前well i guess its copyright not distill-statistical-model-from-it-rights.
- jasonmp85 20小时前Anthropic knows they could just pay off the aggrieved party.
The operators of Anna's know they will go to prison.
- TiredOfLife 19小时前Distribution. Anna's archive actively distributes the pirated material. LLM companies don't.
- e12e 17小时前I'd argue the LLMs certainly distribute copyright material. That's why it can do things like:
https://g.co/gemini/share/20843b4609d9
Now, you could argue quotes are fair use - but can you argue the material isn't part of the LLM?
- bubblegumcrisis 19小时前Fruit of the poisonous tree.
- tim333 19小时前You can make an argument that training an LLM on something is not the same as copying it in the same way that your brain is not in breach of copyright for having watched a Disney movie. I'm not sure of the rights and wrongs of that but it complicates legal action.
- nemomarx 19小时前Can I download an archive of movies so a human animator can study the techniques there?
Surely you have to make the copy to feed it into the llm for training, so
- tim333 19小时前I think some of the LLM companies have used legally purchased materials.
- nemomarx 18小时前Do you happen to have an example? The closest I can think of is adobe for images, but I've never heard of a text based llm trained purely on legally acquired books.
- tim333 18小时前There's stuff here on Anthropic https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/1lkv2r9/anthropic_de...
- Cider9986 20小时前Here[1] is Anna's guide of how to run a shadow library. Opsec and networking, I found it interesting.
[1] https://software.annas-archive.gl/AnnaArchivist/annas-archiv...
- malfist 23小时前Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?
- dewey 22小时前This is nothing new. Remember when the US pressured Sweden into taking down the pirate bay (Very unsuccessfully)? Using global influence to get countries to do something that they would not do on their own has always been the case.
- dmos62 21小时前Let's not forget the Julian Assange extradition fiasco.
- d-cc 12小时前Or the murder of John McAfee, or Alaxendar Cazes
Very strange how people under indictment by the United States of America keep dying in custody.
- antinomicus 11小时前You really think he got murdered?
- d-cc 10小时前To those in the know, it's not really uncommon knowledge.
Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him.
You're welcome to look into what those around him said regarding his detention and death.
He is just a well-publicized example.
Many of you here have probably used darknet markets, if so, your vendors are likely neurocompromised as well.
- cweagans 9小时前> Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him.
> your vendors are likely neurocompromised as well.
What in the world are you talking about.
- boxed 22小时前Pretty successfully I would say. Armed police raided the server hosting provider scaring the shit out of some dudes who were just monitoring the power basically. And people went to prison.
- dewey 21小时前Depends on your definition of successful. If the goal was to take down the website that didn't work as it was back online hours after and is online to this day even if the organization behind it probably changed.
- technothrasher 21小时前And yet the pirate bay has stayed up and easy accessible to this day.
- rendx 21小时前There's US exceptionalism, but, like in this case, there are also simple MLATs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_legal_assistance_treaty
- jubilanti 22小时前> Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?
Since September 30, 1998, when ICANN was founded in the US.
- aaomidi 22小时前cTLDs do things very differently
- gmueckl 20小时前But the authoritative root server set is maintained by ICANN, so they have ultimate control (for now) and can essentially dictate terms for all TLDs.
I wonder whether we wventually see some other power establish their own root servers which mirror only the parts of ICANNs DNS that are politically convenient to whoever does this.
- aaomidi 7小时前So far root servers haven’t done stuff to ccTLDs
- philistine 19小时前ICANN is a US-registered company. National registrars are in a relationship with ICANN. Ultimately, if you dig deep enough, the Internet's trust layer is US-owned infrastructure.
- ferguess_k 22小时前That's one of the perks of being a global empire.
- advisedwang 19小时前Per the article:
> However, most of the intermediaries are foreign entities. Whether they voluntarily comply with a U.S. court order remains to be seen. While some foreign companies have taken action following U.S. injunctions, others have historically ignored them, citing a lack of local jurisdiction.
- subw00f 17小时前Since sometime after the WW2 when most of Europe became US vassals.
- AnimalMuppet 22小时前There is a long history of judges thinking that they can render judgments internationally. (Not just in the US, either.) I suspect it's more performance art than an actual expectation that the judgment will do anything.
- Aurornis 22小时前It’s not as weird or US-specific as always assumed. If someone brings a case in a US jurisdiction the judge isn’t going to say, “Sorry, they’re international, they’re free to commit those crimes.” They issue a judgment according to the law and leave the enforcement to the limits of jurisdiction.
These judgments aren’t always pointless. Many Internet companies and services intersect with the US in some way, so there could be an angle where this impacts them.
Businesses operating strictly in other countries don’t need to comply with foreign laws except in cases where they need to do business with those countries, at which point it becomes complicated and they may choose to comply to avoid problems or sanctions.
- wat10000 22小时前Performance art is a huge part of the justice system. That's why there's the funny clothes and titles. A major function of the system is to convince people that its authority is real and its actions are fair. It has the power of the state, but it still needs most people to obey it willingly in order for it to function.
Crazy judgments happen because they give the impression of impartiality. An accused murderer with $10 to his name gets held on a $1 million bond. What's the point, why not just hold them without bail? Because the rules say you do it this way and shrugging and saying "it doesn't actually matter so who cares?" doesn't make people feel like the system has the proper attitude.
- Eric_WVGG 22小时前also treaties I imagine?
- jiveturkey 21小时前Since when does a commission in the EU get to tell the entire World how to treat Personal Data?
- Lucasoato 20小时前How to treat European Citizens' personal data.
- jiveturkey 20小时前Residents, not just citizens.
- FireBeyond 20小时前You as a business are free to not to business with Europeans.
- PowerElectronix 20小时前Why can't euros do as they want instead of as they're told?
- FireBeyond 17小时前I don't know, why do you follow the laws of the US? (Bear in mind, I live in the US, though I was born in Scotland.) Something something as enacted by democratically elected representatives something something.
- greenavocado 19小时前There are only three primary global empires right now: Russia, China, and Pax Judaica (Israel and its vassal state, the USA). Europe does not fall under the influence of Russia or China to the same degree as the third one. The EU is a rudderless ship due to weak leadership and energy starvation.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 21小时前Because Greenland likely agreed to it
It's called international law, trade agreements, treaties etc.
- lokar 21小时前Well, Denmark would have been the one to agree.
- globalnode 23小时前since never, gives them a sense of agency though i guess?
- swarnie 22小时前[dead]
- IndianHandwash 22小时前[flagged]
- rendx 21小时前The moment I saw their Spotify announcement I expected it to go bad. And they didn't even release anything from it other than metadata!
(I understand this case is about their books, but I feel it got a lot more heat due to the Spotify action.)
Please, dear Anna, don't disappear on us. We need you for the books! Plenty of sources for music around.
- aftbit 21小时前Yeah, I don't understand why they made that announcement then didn't actually release it. All of the heat, none of the archival benefit...
- Llamamoe 19小时前It's definitely a stupid move. Even if you are going to do it, it should be completely independently of AA to distribute the risk.
- qweiopqweiop 20小时前Metadata? Pretty sure they scraped the files and released them too.
- alt227 19小时前Nope, only metadata so far. They keep promising to release the files, but havent yet.
- IshKebab 21小时前Yeah at the least they should have created a separate brand and released it under that.
- Cider9986 20小时前But what about the clout.
Some people may say that Anna's has great OPSEC because she hasn't been identified following this release, but part of OPSEC is reliability, which they clearly failed at with the Spotify release. They let ego come in front of their OPSEC.
http://opbible7nans45sg33cbyeiwqmlp5fu7lklu6jd6f3mivrjeqadco...
- thepasch 21小时前If only the American justice system displayed a fraction of this same raging fervor when it came to crimes that actually caused harm to someone.
- Lockranor 21小时前US Citizens are not served by their government; they are burdened with it. The EPA is arguing for preventing companies from accountability for poisoning us. That should tell you quite a bit about the depth of the rot.
- bubblegumcrisis 20小时前Here's a question- and while I admit it is quite extreme- I've wondered this for quite some time- do please tell me why I'm wrong, because I feel as if I've started believing this more and more:
Could 5% of humanity be a psycho-path-subspecies?
These psychopaths are basically leeches on the rest of us, maybe even a cancer. Not only do they feel no guilt for enslaving other (wage-slavery), but they are also fine with poisoning the body and the mind (too many to list).
Perhaps they can even identify others with the same causal DNA segments. Sight? Smell? Micro-movements? Perhaps they really do see all non psycho-path-bearing-DNA-offspring as worms. Perhaps they intentionally breed with each other to avoid spreading the gene to vasts numbers of people.
Could this explain the vast majority of suffering?
- john_strinlai 20小时前its estimated ~1% of humans are psychopathic. psychopaths are optimized for ladder-climbing (career, politics, etc.), so the rate of CEOs and politicians that are psychopathic is higher than 1%.
and that probably explains a lot about the world.
however, i wouldnt call people affected by psychopathy a "subspecies", and i strongly doubt they have any extra psychopathy-sensing special abilities like sight or smell. that is crossing over into wild conspiracy territory.
(its also important to note that there are lots of people who have all the typical traits of psychopathy, but dont act like what people would call "psycho". there is way more nuance to psychopathy than usually portrayed in media or whatever)
- sixtyj 17小时前There was a study about 4% psycho-whatever in politics.
- bubblegumcrisis 19小时前I wonder about the "psychopathy-sensing special abilities" being "conspiracy territory."
Let's say there were a sub-species of psychopaths.
Let's say, for you to be "evil-beyond-reason" it takes M chromosomes having N genes.
As a psychopath, you probably want to associate yourself with other psychopaths, but maybe not live/work among them, except to breed.
Why would you want to associate yourself? Because if you work in tandem, you can exploit the rest of us with less friction, i.e. make laws. Each psychopath draws their own little kingdom, for them to rule.
Hmm, I guess, if the psychopaths could "feel" that another was "one of them" they may indeed work with one another.
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It is hard for me to think, that given the huge advantage of knowing "your kind" that you wouldn't somehow sense it.
This is crazy talk isn't it. But look at the world. It looks just like this.
- _DeadFred_ 19小时前You know how we domesticated animals, convinced them/luled them into thinking 'we protect you/your young' while we ate them? I'm pretty sure a subset of humanity has domesticated the rest of us. The incentives are all there.
- ryandrake 21小时前Just a weekly reminder that so far, except for the two leaders, nobody has yet been prosecuted for participating in a well-known child sex trafficking ring that operated for years. But, at least there's swift justice against a web library search engine.
- randomtoast 23小时前They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.
- ndiddy 22小时前They used Cloudflare as a CDN, so now they lose that protection. Additionally, depending on how far up the chain the publishers are willing to go, everything on the Internet eventually leads to Western jurisdiction. For example, even if the servers are located in Russia, Russia's IP range is controlled by RIPE NCC in the Netherlands. RIPE NCC's service agreement specifically says that IP registration does not constitute legal property:
> The Member acknowledges and agrees that the registration of Internet Number Resources does not constitute property and the registration of Internet Number Resources in the name of the Member or a third party does not confer upon the Member or the third party any rights of ownership. The Member acknowledges that any Internet Number Resources deregistered by the RIPE NCC may be re-registered to another party according to the RIPE Policies.
If whatever service provider in Russia won't shut off their site, I imagine that the next step would be getting a court order in the Netherlands to revoke that provider's IP range.
- Cider9986 20小时前At this point they might finally make an onion v3 domain. Not sure why they haven't done this yet.
You get censorship resistance and it also doesn't leave a trail that leads to your location or requires payment methods. All of which leads to deanonymization.
The main way that an adversary would identify the location of an onion site would be to shut off the power/internet in various locations. That would be an unlikely step against some book piracy, imo.
- asdfsa32 22小时前I would imagine that implications of that would be big, it won't be swift, it will be very slow and steady, but big. See GPS for reference.
- ndiddy 21小时前Yeah I don't think it would be a good thing, but I also think that just the threat of having their IP range cut off would make the provider drop them. The point I'm trying to make is that the actual provider hosting the content is far enough down the chain of command that sovereignty doesn't really matter if someone is sufficiently motivated to kick you off the internet. In practice I think this would lead to them hopping around providers or just going Tor only.
- asdfsa32 21小时前I think if RIPE tries to force their hand without Russian courts, it will be the start of the end of the Global Web as we know it.
- lokar 21小时前It might be simpler/faster to get US based transit providers to block the Russian ASN
- petcat 22小时前Are you just making that up
- nullifidian 22小时前[deleted to avoid potential misinformation]
- saidnooneever 22小时前there is no confirmed origin for the archivist but only speculation they might be russian or eastern european?
- beej71 21小时前It's one of those interesting moments where the global humanitarian good is in conflict with the law.
- freefaler 19小时前Worried about is it up and what mirror to use?
This is the finest resouce I've found yet: https://open-slum.org/
Tracks the uptime and other pirate libraries...
- b3lvedere 22小时前A digital Fahrenheit 451 burns a lot less bright it seems.
- haritha-j 22小时前I don't think its the fact that its digital. They are quite literally banning books and scrubbing anything DEI related from all their records, but people don't seem to have noticed much.
- jasonmp85 20小时前[dead]
- xhkkffbf 20小时前Uh.... Anna's Archive is the one that is hurting authors, publishers, book sellers and even libraries by helping people steal access. When some author says, "I can't afford to write another book", Anna's Archive has effectively burned it before it was even written!
- fractallyte 16小时前You're downvoted, but correct. And I challenge anyone to dispute this. I'm sick and tired of people trying to justify piracy. If you want to read a book – the product of someone's hard work – pay for it (fairly).
That said, I also support Anna's Archive. We need access to books.
- bix6 23小时前Wikipedia is US based so does this mean they’ll stop sharing the URLs on there?
- danlitt 22小时前The injunction appears to target DNS specifically, so no. The links will just break.
- outside1234 19小时前And then the new links will be added to Wikipedia.
- Cassell 18小时前What if each country had a sovereign wealth fund dedicated to compensating those who have made creative works. It would be controlled by a federation of libraries or a central library,
The ‘creative goods’ would be made available to the entire countries population via a zero-information key given to each citizen, and their preservation would be ensured by the central library.
Like an ordinary library, anyone would be able to request works for accession.
The number of downloads of a certain piece of media would be tracked, and the fund would pay out accordingly. Because it would be the easiest way of getting any media and the system well-designed, piracy would be negligible (a la Steam).
You’d have to consider trans-national sharing though.
- ramon156 22小时前Next week American ISP's will block Annas-archive, people use VPN's, they get confused. The cycle goes on
- petcat 22小时前It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.
- michaelsmanley 22小时前Oh, that's funny. The only ISP that services my current domicile blocks sites all the time in the name of "safety," including several I need to access for my job. I have to use a VPN just to get things done. There's no appeal process or channel, either. Thankfully, I'm a month out from moving somewhere that has actual choice in providers, though I'll probably still use the VPN anyway.
- petcat 22小时前Sounds like you have some kind of parental controls or safety filters enabled on your account. You can probably disable that in your account settings. I had an ISP years ago that blocked spam, malware, and phishing sites from Google's safe browsing list. Could just disable that feature in the account portal.
- spogbiper 22小时前If you're on a typical US ISP, there is probably a way to avoid all filtering: pay for a business account rather than personal. Not saying it's fair or right, but it usually is an option
- trollbridge 21小时前Verizon does block catbox.
- petcat 21小时前That's just because it's a frequent malware host. You can disable that in your settings or use a different DNS server.
- trollbridge 21小时前It still counts as a block.
- petcat 21小时前A trivial block that is opt-in...
Go to your Verizon account -> Safe Browsing -> Uncheck all the content filters you don't want.
- criddell 19小时前The solution to this problem isn't technological and never has been.
- laichzeit0 23小时前So what stops them from just changing it to NotAnna's Archive and operating under that domain?
- danparsonson 22小时前Nana's Archive would have a nice cozy feel to it
- StableAlkyne 22小时前Isn't that what's been happening to the Pirate Bay for 20 years?
They lose one domain, so they just register a new nearly-identical one
- soupspaces 20小时前Hail hydra
- AlienRobot 21小时前
- Hamuko 22小时前Nothing, but are the courts to throw their arms up in the air and go "We can't stop them so whatever"?
- derwiki 22小时前No but it’s fast to spin up a new mirror copy, and slow for the courts to respond
- thelastgallon 22小时前Trumps archive?
- econ 19小时前Surely the funny part is that china is now miles ahead of the west and, in stead of debugging our mistakes, we look for ways to cut off our nose to spite our face.
- josefritzishere 23小时前AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?
- Aurornis 22小时前AI companies were cited as a reason in the case:
> The publishers argued that, in addition to sharing pirated books with the public, the shadow library is serving as a primary training data hub for AI companies like Meta and NVIDIA.
- CWuestefeld 22小时前I assume that the repository of books was used as training data, but not by way of the annas-archive domain. Instead, it would make a lot more sense for them to download the whole pile via bittorrent, which has nothing at all to do with the domain. In other words, the legal solution here wouldn't have prevented the problem.
- crtasm 21小时前> We’re able to provide high-speed access to our full collections, as well as to unreleased collections.
>This is enterprise-level access that we can provide for donations in the range of tens of thousands USD. We’re also willing to trade this for high-quality collections that we don’t have yet.
- phs318u 12小时前Which is interesting. What if they had proof of US AI companies paying them (AA) for sourcing “high quality collections we don’t have yet”? Procurement of an illegal act is an illegal act. Might this be enough to garner some legal cover from their presumably well-heeled customers?
- HDBaseT 9小时前We at least have proof of US AI Companies buying access to AA in general. [0]
[0] - https://torrentfreak.com/nvidia-contacted-annas-archive-to-s...
- sitkack 22小时前Everyone trained on Anna's Archive.
- xiphias2 22小时前They already trained on it, now they don't want competitors anymore
- gruez 22小时前>now they don't want competitors anymore
"They" aren't a single group. Broadly speaking, publishers are the ones suing anna's archive, and they're involved in suits against AI companies as well. I'm not aware of any efforts by AI companies to take down anna's archive.
- smallerize 22小时前No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.
- dylan604 22小时前So anyone with deep enough pockets can do it.
However, just because you receive a fine does not mean that you "can't" do it. You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.
- smallerize 16小时前Yeah? These were published books and the main complaint was that they had not paid for them. If they pay up, the problem is solved. Anyone with enough money to buy all those books up front could do the same without the lawsuit.
- dylan604 15小时前That's not always how things work. If you attempt to build something without a permit, the inspector will break out a can of spray paint and mark materials so you cannot resell or use them after getting a permit. That's on top of any fines. If you do get a permit, you have to buy all of that material again. Building a fence too high will see you having to take down that fence.
Some places not in tech actually have ways of dealing with "disruptors"
- gruez 21小时前>You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.
Yes, because most courts have ruled that training is legal as long as the source material was acquired legally. The AI companies were made to pay for the wrongs they did when acquiring the books, but it makes little sense to destroy all works that were built off the infringement, when they would be in the clear if they paid $15 (or whatever) for each book. It'd be like you torrenting college textbooks and getting caught, and then the book publisher demanding that you start over your college degree from scratch.
- quentindanjou 22小时前Were these from the same high-profile publishers?
What was the judgment? Seems that their domains are still active. Why is there a difference in judgment here?
- gruez 22小时前>Why is there a difference in judgment here?
For one, they actually bothered to sent lawyers rather than getting hit with a default judgement.
- smallerize 19小时前Anthropic's judgement is currently $1.5 billion in its piracy case. The judge is reviewing it. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/authors-fight-fo... The others are still ongoing.
- dylan604 22小时前> Why is there a difference in judgment here?
$$$$$$$
- drngdds 19小时前Anthropic lost a $1.5B lawsuit for downloading books from shadow libraries
- biggoodwolf 17小时前That's just a fine. Cost of business
- dawnerd 20小时前Ai companies definitely downloading more than just books.
- ramon156 22小时前They have a music archive, which historically means bad business.
- sph 22小时前You’re absolutely right.
- thelastgallon 22小时前Yes, perfectly okay for large companies for billionaires. As long its structured as a corporation, with the super wealthy as the majority owners, have the connections to get federal laws passed to grant monopolies and enable congress insider trading, everything is okay!
Some examples, there are probably hundreds more:
1) Its okay for pharma companies to provide addictive drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family
2) Coke can use cocaine, or coca leaves, but no one else: https://blog.oup.com/2014/03/coke-cocaine-coca-cola-capitali...
3) This one is hilarious and an ingenious innovation by current administration -- Ban on CBDC, locking out Fed Govt from providing crypto alternatives
- gruez 22小时前>1) Its okay for pharma companies to provide addictive drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family
Yes, with FDA approval. You can dispute whether the approval should be granted in the first place, but that's not at all comparable to some drug dealer slinging fentanyl on some street corner. Not to mention this happened decades ago, before the current wave of corruption in the whitehouse. Finally, isn't the whole point of laws and regulations is that there's vaguely some review? I'd far rather have prospective drug dealers having to go through FDA approval before they can sell their drugs, than have them sell whatever they want, without giving safety or efficacy lip service.
>2) Coke can use cocaine, or coca leaves, but no one else: https://blog.oup.com/2014/03/coke-cocaine-coca-cola-capitali...
Again, with the proper licenses. Believe it or not, you too can buy methamphetamine legally if you have a prescription! It even has a snazzy brand name, desoxyn.
>3) This one is hilarious and an ingenious innovation by current administration -- Ban on CBDC, locking out Fed Govt from providing crypto alternatives
What does this have to do with corporations?
- d-cc 12小时前>before the current wave of corruption in the whitehouse.
Nice username, GRUez.
>Again, with the proper licenses. Believe it or not, you too can buy methamphetamine legally if you have a prescription! It even has a snazzy brand name, desoxyn.
What a headache. Too bad it's not provided in a formulation suitable for vaporization. Big pharma needs to get on this immediately.
- amanaplanacanal 20小时前Corporations are more about privatizing the profits and sticking taxpayers with cleaning up the mess.
- k310 14小时前Who remembers "The Price is Right"?
Mark Cuban switched to the dark side overnight. No doubt his online pharma and Trump pharma reached $ome under$tanding.
Grift, grift, glorious grift.
- b3lvedere 22小时前"That is affermative human. Information must be controlled. Please now go back to Tik Tok for you require endorphins"
- rolymath 22小时前As much as I would like to socialize LLMs and ban proprietary LLMs, I'm pretty sure the issue here is with the distribution of the books.
- vitally3643 20小时前It's wrong to distribute books in PDF or epub containers, but it's fine to distribute them as GGUF?
Because that's what OpenAI is doing with the books they-- again-- illegally acquired. Huge AI companies are the ones pirating media at scale and literally everyone except the AI companies have to bear the consequences of that.
- trilogic 19小时前They should create a giant AI LLM model trained on that data. Then settle with some form of payment like others did (learning from the best LOL). Then I don´t understand why once bought a book can´t be uploaded online? If you are not engaging in a commercial activity I don´t see the issue, the book was bought is not a state secret. By that logic the cookie trackers, that literally track/spy you and that buy and sell your data for profit and more, illegally should be priority, not some books that educate people.
- mmooss 19小时前> They should create a giant AI LLM model trained on that data.
It's interesting that Anna's could have kept the data to themselves and had a major advantage in training LLMs, either creating their own or charging possibly billions to large LLM companies.
- uyzstvqs 20小时前Once more: Piracy is almost always a service problem, not a pricing problem.
If there was an online e-book store where you could buy most books as DRM-free epub files, and you could read the first X pages for free, I guarantee you that nobody here would care about the OP article. It would have maybe 4 or 5 upvotes.
- wolvoleo 19小时前They're not really "hit". It's more like lashing out at thin air :)
They'll find new domains.
- drob518 22小时前This is pirate radio all over again.
- shrubble 18小时前Maybe they just have bad lawyers and Anthropic has good lawyers…
- CodeWriter23 19小时前That should stop them.
- weare138 16小时前The publishers argued that, in addition to sharing pirated books with the public, the shadow library is serving as a primary training data hub for AI companies like Meta and NVIDIA.
So when are we seizing Meta and Nvidia's domains?
- surgical_fire 18小时前Anna's Archive is amazing. This is a good reminder to make another contribution to it.
- bubblegumcrisis 22小时前This is just another move in a game played by the tech overlords.
It has never been so obvious as now, that justice is not blind. Without justice there is anarchy.
And at this point, to be honest, I say bring it on- let's have the day of retribution before the billionaires have their AI robot armies.
- 0xmattf 23小时前Now do Anthropic, OpenAI, et al.
- iluvcommunism 22小时前[dead]
- damnitbuilds 21小时前Given they already have a $322 million judgment and takedown order, they only need to worry 6% more.
Until copyright terms are fair, ~5 years not ~95 years, Pirate On !
- gothicbluebird 22小时前Anna's archive is a professional nonprofit business with donation tiers for terabyte bundles of stuff for greedy hoarders and llm trainers. Their style suggests they have other goals than freedom of information and reminds of the super rich wikimedia foundation always campaigning for more money.
- mghackerlady 21小时前The WMF asks for more money because they plan on becoming self-sustaining off of interest or something iirc
- beej71 21小时前Their style? What do you mean?
- pessimizer 20小时前There's no possible way it means anything. You'd only start talking about "style" when you ran out of argument. The next thing is a mention of a random thing they were "reminded" of, but with no particular explanation.
The style of the comment suggests that they have far more sinister motives than mere online discussion, and reminds me of off-brand, leaky adult incontinence wear.
- damnitbuilds 21小时前Who knew Josh D'Amaro posted on HN !