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- Barbing 11小时前Tried this demo in Safari: https://arrival.space/htmlcanvas
Looks very cool, and showed a pretty message indicating there's even more:
Use Chrome... idontthinkiwill.jpg and aren't we supposed to reject these technologies that allow Google to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish[1]?HTML IN CANVAS NOT SUPPORTED Use Chrome and enable chrome://flags/#canvas-draw-elementKudos to the artist in spite of this unfortunately esoteric (wish it weren't) concern
[1](hope I'm wrong about it being a triple E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... )
- rafram 1小时前The standardization process requires implementations before standardization. And the most recent comments on the WHATWG issue are from Jake Archibald (Mozilla) and Anne van Kesteren (Apple). This isn't a unilateral Google project.
- afavour 1小时前> aren't we supposed to reject these technologies that allow Google to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
In what way is this technology a means to embrace, extend and extinguish?
This seems like a logical extension of existing web APIs. If we reject everything out of hand then the platform won't improve. It's going through the standards process:
- socalgal2 10小时前Seems like you have some pretty strong ranty bias there.
AFAICT, this is a web standard and expected to get buy in from Safari and Firefox before shipping to users. For now it's an experiment you have to specifically enable with flags. No different than any other browser that runs experiments
Here's one from from Apple from 2017
https://webkit.org/blog/7504/webgpu-prototype-and-demos/
Here's another from last year
https://webkit.org/blog/17118/a-step-into-the-spatial-web-th...
- JimDabell 7小时前> AFAICT, this is a web standard and expected to get buy in from Safari and Firefox before shipping to users.
If it hasn’t already got buy in then it isn’t a web standard, it’s just a Google proposal. Something isn’t automatically a web standard just because Google thinks it’s a good idea.
Here are Mozilla and WebKit positions on this:
> This proposal attempts to solve multiple problems with a single solution. We (Mozilla) recognize the motivation for solving some of the problems, but believe that this is not the right solution to each problem, or in some case a step in the wrong direction.
— https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/1076
— https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues/630
As far as I can see, nobody outside of Google has committed to implementing this.
- Barbing 1小时前What a thread (Mozilla). Thank you much.
> If this ships, this is what we think we'll be facing, but in reverse. Your rendering would become the defacto default. Does this help see where we're coming from?
One side cares about a private, free, open web; the other devs made something COOL and potentially USEFUL (ship it!). Both highly intelligent of course, shockingly different priorities.
- troupo 7小时前From the discussion linked in the Webkit repo:
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Philip: First, google slides is written in svg, so that won't change with this. But google docs is using canvas, so they might be a candidate. … they might want to integrate this peicemeal, this API allows them to start to adopt the feature slowly,
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This reads to me like "Google Docs decided to go with canvas sometime ago [1], found it to be too hard, so pushed Chrome to have a way to support HTML in Canvas. The rest is just post-hoc justifications"
[1] https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-...
- Barbing 2小时前Strongly ranty!
Happy to praise anything good Google does (speedy, reliable YouTube delivery). When they don’t get buy in first, I’m suspicious. They know, but should also care about how bad it is for the web for sites to dictate the browsers we use.
- troupo 7小时前> his is a web standard and expected to get buy in from Safari and Firefox before shipping to users.
1. It's not a standard. It's a scribble on a napkin in a working group's repo: https://github.com/WICG/html-in-canvas Created and edited by people from Google.
2. Chrome continuously ships "standards" like this that they create with no buy in and against any and all opposition.
3. Neither of your links have any relation to HTML in Canvas.
- designerarvid 12小时前HTML-in-Canvas-in-HTML. Yo dawg.
- BobbyTables2 11小时前Nah, you forgot the canvas.
I heard you like html-in-canvas demos, but what about canvas-in-html-in-canvas-in-html?
- ivolimmen 10小时前You broke the internet!
- BobbyTables2 11小时前Title should have been “html-in-canvas demos in gif on X”
I naively thought the “demo” was a demo, not a X posting by a twit.
- phyzix5761 6小时前I remember this repo a few weeks ago: https://github.com/remotion-dev/html-in-canvas
I wonder if it works in more than just Chrome Canary now.
- Rygian 6小时前How long until a canvas is used to render the full chrome of a web browser (e.g. including the TLS padlock), showing a fake benign URL in the (fake) address bar while having the user interact with a malicious page?
- l23k4 4小时前Already done, it's called a "browser-in-browser" attack.
- stanac 6小时前That's why we have "youtube.com is now full screen" message.
- lukan 6小时前Yes, but this "emergency" UI of the OS could be improved I think. (Also that functionality could have been build easily with normal DOM and JS, cancel and override all events, etc)
- beezlewax 11小时前Flash is back baby!
- troupo 7小时前In a significantly reduced, dumbed down and non-functional way