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- cube00 1天前Jamie Zawinski at the end of the Code Rush doco:
We're at the beginning of an industry and who knows where that industry's going to go? This could all turn into television again. It could be controlled by a small number of companies who decide what we see and hear. And there's a lot of precedent for that.
While you may say it's not television because we have content creators now, most of the mainstream consumption is on closed platforms owned by companies with the highest valuations ever seen in history.
Side note: It's great to see Jamie's nightclub has become a success as well becoming more of a live music venue which is even more impressive in the face of Live Nation buying every venue in sight.
The DNA Lounge compound consists of five rooms, two stages, four dance floors with independent sound systems, seven full bars, plus our attached full-service pizza restaurant and cafe.
- hylaride 1天前Success is a relative term. If you follow his blog ( https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/ ), it's been a slog in many ways. If it's not Live Nation, it's the municipal/state government, NIMBYs, etc. The retail/entertainment industry is also full of terrible and/or expensive companies that do everything from PoS/inventory down to suppliers being monopolies themselves. He's definitely a curmudgeon, but DNA lounge has been a struggle. He's even had to resort to setting up donations.
He's made it abundantly clear that while he's rich, he doesn't have infinite money.
- readthenotes1 21小时前Keeping that bar open is a testimony to obsession.
Sound, sidewalks, toilets, pizza, overreach, the story is full of tragedy and perseverance.
- lacewing 23小时前> While you may say it's not television because we have content creators now
What's the difference? There are hundreds of millions of people watching a relatively small number of wealthy creators who need to cater to advertisers and follow strict platform rules or else they get the boot. We even have celebrity gossip and controversies surrounding them.
We've recreated the exact thing we've been fighting.
- jezzamon 1天前Sort of amazing that it caused the shift the other way - the internet became centralised, but television (video content) became decentralized
- m463 1天前> Jamie's nightclub has become a success
If you've read his blog, it is always on the verge of catastrophe.
- jFriedensreich 1天前One of my favorite documentaries, also because it captures so much personal reality and feeling of what it must have been like, it really inspires me.
- chasil 23小时前One interesting aspect that I remember about this is the internal NNTP server with a newsgroup known as "Bad Attitude" where frustrations with the products, culture, structure, and other elements of Netscape were shared.
IIRC, "Bad Attitude" was eventually terminated, then a private group known as "Really Bad Attitude" was launched to a chosen few.
Microsoft managed to obtain all of these discussion histories in the discovery phase of its various lawsuits.
- dboreham 1天前I'm standing behind the camera in one of the scenes. At the time I didn't realize they were making a movie. I was just trying to get to lunch.
Also, if you're intrigued by fly-on-the-wall documentaries about historical tech efforts, check out: https://www.generalmagicthemovie.com/
- massimosgrelli 1天前I watched Code Rush tens of times. That was my time, I just had my degree in Computer Science in Milan, Italy. Before Mosaic and then Netscape, the only way to get access to information was through an Ampex terminal using tools like Gopher and Veronica. Internet connection was rare and hard to get, and the first browser changed my life forever. Soon after, the first ISPs emerged, and in an instant, access to information became available, even from my 10,000-person town. Netscape is how I became aware of Silicon Valley, and it took me almost 15 years to get there. It has been a lot of fun and excitement; I knew something big was happening, but nobody believed me or even understood me. When Code Rush finally became available on YouTube, it was like being part of the pirate crew from my small town for the first time. I still watch it once a year. It changed everything.
- biofox 1天前Just discovered the documentary, and it's such an interesting time capsule. That period simultaneously feels like yesterday, and a lifetime ago.
- NoSalt 1天前Netscape will always hold a special place for me. It was with Netscape, that I constructed my very first webpage in college back in the '90s. It was crude by today's standards, but I was "out there"!
- washmyelbows 1天前its weirdly endearing in the age of LLMs to see a word like company misspelled in a blog post
- j16sdiz 1天前We have spellchecker for 30+ years, and we still misspell things all the time. So?
- anthk 1天前I remember when Phoenix was born because of Mozilla -ex Netscape- bloat. Now Firefox uses far more resources than Seamonkey itself even with all the bundled functionality.
- stuaxo 1天前True, though the reason to remove all that functionality was to get something maintainable that could grow from there.
- miki_oomiri 1天前Building the SVN Aviary Mozilla branch by Blake. Good old time.
- hdbdjsnvdjd 1天前I remember jwz posting on slashdot about open sourcing the browser. The whole Netscape story is sad.
- 47282847 1天前> By the end of the documentary he is seen in retirement, spending time with his family and reflecting on the time he had missed with them. Thankful for the opportunity but wistful for what could have been.
- QuercusMax 23小时前Anybody know what it was that JWZ was saying "this is bad" about?
- MrDOS 19小时前https://youtu.be/4Q7FTjhvZ7Y?t=1577
> This is bad.
> What's that?
> Um, well, so I connected to the, uh... The machine that- that controls the FTP push, is like, not answering.
Spoiler: he had the wrong hostname.
> Mm... oh. Duh!
- DeathArrow 1天前Netscape thought that open sourcing their code will save them but it didn't.
- dboreham 1天前I wasn't party to the discussions so I don't know, but I think it's unlikely this was the idea. More likely the open source pivot was a way to preserve the product, which it did, since Firefox still exists.
- eloisant 1天前Didn't they pretty much start from scratch after open sourcing?
Not sure what was left of the older (pre-open source) Netscape code in Firefox 1.0.
- dboreham 1天前Not my product, but I believe I've been in this argument before, and went to check the Firefox source code, and found files that were in the original Netscape code base. So I'm going to say: no it wasn't a from-scratch re-write even for the Firefox fork. The actual 1998 open source event was totally the Netscape code, fwiw, with some stuff removed to comply with commercial licenses, build process decoupled from the corporate network and so on.
- pram 1天前There is absolutely no way it was from scratch. Phoenix and Firefox both had XUL. It was a derivative of Gecko from Mozilla.
- tacostakohashi 1天前This sounds totally ridiculous now, but at the time there was a lot of hype about Linux / open source, a sense/possibility that it could overcome microsoft/sun/ibm/hp etc, some big IPOs like VA Linux Systems. Keep in mind that IE was a second-rate browser then, no chrome or serious rivals to Netscape/Mozilla at the time.
Looking back, it was a bit reminiscent of the bitcoin / ai bubbles, where every company desperately rushes to jump on the bandwagon.
- fastr1proxy 1天前[flagged]