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- brudgers 10小时前Unearthed from a 1,600-year-old Roman-era tomb
That's c. 400 AD. Closer to today, than to the time of King Tut...and King Tut was closer to the TFA mummy than to the First Dynasty.
Ancient Egypt is really really old. The Great pyramid was 3000 years old at the time of the TFA mummy.
The TFA mummy is about equidistant between today and the events of the Iliad and the book was already more than 1000 years old in 400 CE.
- vkazanov 5小时前Most people kind of merge the kingdoms together, while every kingdom is unique in both the culture and, say, external influence. And the late period is quite long as well.
There is a very strong connection between periods, of course. But 2500+ years of ancient egypt is a very long damn time. All of our modern history is, say, 3k years, starting with greeks, early chinese , india and all.
But egypt to me is like a star in the vast ocean of nothingness of early history. We know NAMES and DEEDS of people who lived 4500 years ago. We see things they've built, we can read words they wrote.
This is amazing.
- Razengan 3小时前> But 2500+ years of ancient egypt is a very long damn time.
To put that in perspective, consider how long 100 years ago feels.. not in technological terms, but in human perception of time: The USA was founded 250~ years ago. Try to recall your own life from 20, 40, 50 years ago.. it's a literal lifetime. Most people only meet people as far back as their grandparents, just 2 generations back. Great-grandparents and the eras they grew up in are already almost impossible to relate to.. 2500 years is FIFTY such lifetimes!
So in "just" after 500 years the pyramids would already be a mythical unrelatable object to people from 2000 years before us...
I like to think Ancient Egyptians were descendants of the survivors from a Green Sahara and the pyramids were meant to be their post-apocalyptic marker in case the world went to further shit..
- zikduruqe 38分钟前> To put that in perspective
Star Wars debuted 37 years after World War II
Star Wars debuted 49 years from now
(Now I feel really old)
- Razengan 21分钟前The iPhone launched 7 years after 2000
The iPhone launched 19 years from now
- Razengan 18分钟前Sorry I meant "to people from 4000 years before us" because BC is negative years lol
- mattfrommars 9小时前That sounds about right. People generally under estimate how old Ancient Egyptian really are, me included and think it sometimes around the era of Middle Ages.
- adastra22 5小时前Ancient Egypt had archeological museums showing dug up artifacts of even more ancient Egypt.
- Melatonic 4小时前Isn't that just like our normal museums now ?
- fecal_henge 4小时前Yes but much further in the future when someone else digs them up.
- tclancy 1小时前No, the artifacts stayed where they were found. Different concept.
- adastra22 26分钟前Not the one I'm referring to. Which I just looked up and got the region wrong -- it was in Mesopotamia. It was an actual museum showing ancient artifacts in a building, 2,500 years ago. Some of the things in that museum were an additional 1,500 years old at the time they were on display.
It's a funny story because the modern archeologists who dug it up were very confused by finding objects from different regions and separated by hundreds or thousands of years, all in the same layer.
- brudgers 9小时前In Ancient Egypt Ancient Egypt was ancient.
- mr3martinis 9小时前What is the “TFA” mummy?
- maksimur 5小时前TFA originally meant "The Fucking Article" but on HN seems to have morphed its meaning to "The Fine Article" or "The Featured Article". I can't stop reading it as the former every time I come across it.
- adastra22 5小时前Those multiple readings date back to Slashdot and have stayed consistent. It just means in plain speech the linked article in the original post. Now get off my lawn!
- latexr 1小时前To expand on this: It started as “RTFA”, which is a riff on RTFM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM#List_of_similar_initialis...
Doesn’t really work as OP used it, though, as it gets confusing. They wrote “the TFA mummy” every time, so it becomes “the the fucking article mummy”. Like saying you’re a fan of the The Beatles.
- cfiggers 9小时前The mummy that is the subject of The Friendly Article (the post that we're all commenting under right now).
- Induane 9小时前That Fucking Asshole mummy from Bubba Ho Tep.
- voidfunc 8小时前Great movie
- airstrike 8小时前Obligatory "Cleopatra lived closer to the creation of the iPhone than she did to the building of the Great Pyramid"
- moi2388 6小时前In time, not space.
- elros 3小时前On a stressful day full of short deadlines and somewhat overwhelming work, thank you for the chuckle :-)
- raffraffraff 6小时前Well, if space is expanding and earth is revolving and spinning around the sun which is spinning around the milkyway which is moving through space then.... Was it really close in space either?
- interstice 3小时前Local origin not global
- raffraffraff 2小时前Or universal
- altmanaltman 2小时前they are both the same though
- psychoslave 3小时前Pedantic side note maybe and sorry about that, but I found disturbing to see multiple "the TFA", where I guess TFA stand for "the fine article", so "the the fine article"?
If it’s about brevity, "the peg" is just as short and mean in journalism parlance "A topic of interest, such as an ongoing event or an anniversary, around which various features can be developed."
- tclancy 1小时前I don’t think you’re reclaiming “peg”. Lost cause.
- dmos62 5小时前The pyramids aren't actually datable, because it's rock. Maybe if you were to find something with carbon that's provably from the time of construction, that could be used, but I don't think that happened. The popular datings for the older pyramids are educated guesses.
Edit: the Sphynx dating is even more controversial, because it seems to have rain erosion on it.
- zulux 12小时前>>If Christopher Nolan’s coming adaptation of the Odyssey happens to do well enough to get Hollywood back on its feet,
A typical laconic reply works here: "If"
- protocolture 10小时前It looks pretty shonky.
I dont care about the casting.
But the costumes look like ass (One of the extras was saying he had fit into the same armor for a low budget sword and sandal film), they are using a viking longboat as a greek ship (have already seen half a dozen experts spitting chips over the difference in boat design). I just cant bring myself to care about the film.
"Oh its a fantasy film" its set in a historical time period, I wouldnt watch a WW2 Zombie movie if the nazi zombies were wearing viking armor driving an Abrams tank either.
- joshuahedlund 13分钟前For someone who purports not to care about the film, you seem very familiar with the discourse about it. (I have seen zero experts, or anyone really, discussing boat design.)
- ourmandave 16分钟前Would you watch a 1965 WW2 "historical" movie if the Nazis were driving M47 Patton tanks?
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/the-battle-of-...
- RobotToaster 7小时前The costumes are completely wrong.
At least they bothered to CGI out the stirrups, but it's incredibly obvious from how he's sitting on the horse in the trailer.
- protocolture 7小时前I had forgotten about the stirrup controversy.
- fecal_henge 4小时前Nothing like historical inaccuracy to stirrup some controversy.
- jimnotgym 5小时前Would you choose the weapons, armour and tactics as described in the Iliad? Even though it is thought they are inaccurate for the time period that they think the Iliad is set? Not so easy I would say.
And the extra you describe, where does he appear on screen? Front and centre, or in the fourth rank behind the people in better costumes?
And the longboat, does it appear on screen in its original form, or with additions to make it look more period accurate?
- bee_rider 4小时前> Would you choose the weapons, armour and tactics as described in the Iliad? Even though it is thought they are inaccurate for the time period that they think the Iliad is set? Not so easy I would say.
Either “best attempt at historical accuracy” (although that would have been difficult given the sparse record), or “true to Homer’s anachronistic story” would have been reasonable ways to go. Sounds like they picked neither, though…
- cess11 1小时前"I wouldnt watch a WW2 Zombie movie if the nazi zombies were wearing viking armor driving an Abrams tank either."
OK, so you didn't watch Kung Fury?
- klausa 8小时前> "Oh its a fantasy film" its set in a historical time period, I wouldnt watch a WW2 Zombie movie if the nazi zombies were wearing viking armor driving an Abrams tank either.
WW2 Zombie movie with Nazis in Viking armors and random tanks sounds so much more _fun_ than a "historically acurate Nazi Zombie" movie!
- zamadatix 7小时前Different strokes for different folks. I think they are just used to the common trope of people immediately telling them because one aspect of a movie/film/play is unrealistic they shouldn't care if the entire thing is nonsense. Vice versa though, nobody should mind others enjoy or make such content, beyond these kinds of statements that it's not for them.
I also more often enjoy films which sit between "100% realistic/accurate" and "anything goes" than either extreme itself. 100% realistic/accurate and it tends to already be known unless it's relatively bland. 100% anything goes and it can still be good but there is a high risk it ends up feeling like every other "anything goes" movie of the same topic. In between you can often get the best of both worlds - something new, but still unique.
- protocolture 7小时前>I also more often enjoy films which sit between "100% realistic/accurate" and "anything goes" than either extreme itself. 100% realistic/accurate and it tends to already be known unless it's relatively bland. 100% anything goes and it can still be good but there is a high risk it ends up feeling like every other "anything goes" movie of the same topic. In between you can often get the best of both worlds - something new, but still unique.
I think that Nolan sells himself (The online worship can hardly all be organic) as an authentic, technical director interested in accurate physical props.
When mostly what he does is potter about and destroy sound design.
I agree no one is going to be 100% accurate and accuracy isnt always desirable. But an attempt? When thats the guys reputation? Doesnt feel like too much to ask for.
- prawn 1小时前Your sound design comment reminds me of seeing Inception in the cinema sitting next to a friend who works in sound (Frozen, John Wick films, etc). Early in the film, I offered him some of my popcorn, and he politely declined. I spent a good portion of the film partially distracted by the idea that maybe he didn't want to be crunching away on popcorn because he was keenly focused on thinking about the sound experience, and the cinema speakers and the like. I ate my popcorn even more quietly than usual.
After the film, I asked if he'd turned down the popcorn for professional reasons. He said, "No, I just didn't feel like popcorn."
- klausa 6小时前>I think that Nolan sells himself (The online worship can hardly all be organic) as an authentic, technical director interested in accurate physical props.
I'm not a huge Nolan-discourse-insider, but that seems like a pretty bizarre reputation to have for someone who's famous for directing three Batman movies, Inception, Interstellar and Tenet?
Is this reputation just because of Oppenheimer?
I haven't seen Dunkirk (and I'm not a WWII buff so couldn't tell if they used right planes/boats/guns/uniforms/whatever even if I tried), but even a short blurb on Wikipedia talks about a "balance historical accuracy with aesthetics that would favour the film stock".
- SvenL 3小时前Well, interstellar has also some nerd stuff in it. If I remember correctly Kip Thorne did physics consulting on the movie and they even use a simulation running on a cluster to visualize the black hole physically correct.
They could have used some arbitrary CGI…but no, they wanted it accurate according to science.
- klausa 33分钟前Maybe we run in different circles, but I feel like “appreciates scientific accuracy” and “appreciates historical accuracy” are pretty disjoint sets?
Not entirely without overlap, but pretty distinct.
- aragilar 1小时前And yet the rest of the movie runs on movie logic, enough so that every physicist I know rolls their eyes at it. It gives me the vibe of the "IFLS" crowd, not anyone who actually understands science.
- vidarh 4小时前The example was really to me because one of the better Nazi zombie movies is Norwegian (Dead Snow) and given the Nazi obsession with old Germanic and Norse myths, it wouldn't seem wrong at all to come across Nazi Vikings in a movie like that.
- kakacik 3小时前This is fairly typical level of detail for Hollywood, most of stuff they do around Europe is insulting as hell if one cares about the topic, historical stuff being the most visible source of offense.
Dumbed down far more than required for short movie transition of any topic. But I guess they know their US audience, their level of knowledge and care for authenticity better than me.
- xdennis 6小时前[flagged]
- anang 2小时前We've already accepted a lot of non-Greek casting, and always have. Movies like Troy are filled with people of German, English, Scandinavian whatever heritage, same here with The Odyssey.
I think they get a pass because we see Greek history as a shared western history, even though it's about as accurate as a black person in those roles.
So I think for a lot of people, when they see complaints about black actors playing historically "white" roles, what they're really seeing is a claim that black people don't have any right to our shared western heritage despite the fact that it's almost always a black person that has grown up in and only ever really been a part of western culture.
- stavros 1小时前I don't know about what Americans think, but, as a Greek, the whole "whiteness" thing is an American social construct. There aren't whites and blacks in Greece, mostly because we don't have enough black people here to have a divide.
As far as I'm concerned, all your casting is wrong, it's not like Brad Pitt in Troy looks anything like a Greek person. Casting black people goes even farther, but it's just a matter of degree.
It does make sense, these are American movies, they're going to cast Americans, and the whole race issue is about who gets to star in them. There aren't enough Greek people in Hollywood to make a fuss about representation, so they don't get representation. It is what it is, but let's not pretend it's about accuracy or faithfulness to the original material, it's just about less racially biased casting.
- anang 23分钟前Yes, people that get upset about racially “incorrect” casting hand wave away casting someone of Irish decent as Greek because it falls into some sort of western bucket.
So when someone complains about a black person being cast as Greek, in a movie filled with people of English, Irish, Scandinavian and who knows else decent, what they’re actually saying is that black people will never have a right to the shared western culture.
- protocolture 6小时前No I legitimately don't care about those things. They could cast the smurfs if they had a cool period boat and nice period armor.
You are the one who has some weird race based conditioning where you are hyper-vigilant where it comes to race and need to act offended about it.
Seek medical assistance.
- modo_mario 5小时前To be fair it is fairly onesided towards european history/folklore/tales and noticably always with black people inserted making it feel like there's some very... american focus on this from the opposing perspective as well. (And when it's anything east asian they typically insert a white main character) Which isn't helped by the industry basically farming this situation from both sides with actors and articles claiming queen charlotte, cleopatra and such were back. (to the point of leading to legal complaints in egypt, etc)
- verisimi 4小时前You care about the historical detail of the boats and armour, but don't care about the person (sex or colour)? And people who disagree with you need medical help?
Do you realise all the contradictions in your position? And then to suggest that the other person needs medical help for stating the obvious, indicates your malign intent. This is gas lighting, ie abusive behaviour. Your own conditioning is making you unable to see the obvious.
- Fezzik 6小时前I’m just offended Helen isn’t depicted as having goose parts. After-all, Zeus was a goose when he seduced Leda, and Helen hatched from an egg. Some part of her must be goosey.
Edit: I meant swan. My recollection of mythology is rusty.
- verisimi 4小时前A black or white swan?
- throwfaraway135 3小时前One thing that always rubs me the wrong way in this type of situations, is how patronizing it is towards black people.
It got the "let little timmy play too" vibe all over it. It hints that there are no interesting historical events with black people having a major role in it that you would want to create a movie about.
- bazoom42 12分钟前Is it also patronizing towards Americans to have Brad Pitt play Achilles?
- Induane 9小时前That's a whole ass Spartan letter.
- felipellrocha 11小时前Because Nolan is known for his hits and misses
- mrec 8小时前Not 100% sure whether you're being sarcastic but... yes? IMO more misses than hits, and the misses tend to miss by more than the hits hit.
- dyauspitr 10小时前[flagged]
- AlotOfReading 10小时前Would you be happier if they had cast the trans actor as the trans character (Tiresias), or would that also be a bridge too far?
- dyauspitr 6小时前Tiresias was magically turned into a woman. He may as well have been turned into a rabbit.
- michaelmrose 6小时前If a movie had a black actor in it would you say that the movie was about black ideology?
- vkou 10小时前When a non-trans person stars in a film, nobody calls it a 'straight-cis' ideological hit piece.
- defrost 10小时前It's literally just manufactured faux-concern about a rumour and a very very minor character role:
Nolan movies will continue to fail or succeed, it's a stretch for the GP commentor to tie that to a person cast for a bit part.Achilles does not actually appear as a living character in Homer's epic poem The Odyssey (as he dies in the Trojan War before Odysseus' journey home). However, in Christopher Nolan’s upcoming film adaptation, the character is rumored to make a brief appearance as a ghost in the Underworld. Viral rumors suggested Elliot Page was cast in this role.- MaxHoppersGhost 8小时前Yeah he doesn’t appear as a living character in Homer’s poem but he does appear as a ghost in the poem when they visit the underworld (sorry for the spoilers). Not sure what difference it makes if Achilles shows up as alive or as a ghost but he is in the poem and it would be weird to have a non macho dude play Achilles.
Regardless I think it’s a bullshit rumor and people are running with it. The sad thing is how believable the rumor is.
- defrost 8小时前> it would be weird to have a non macho dude play Achilles.
Odd. Remind me, wasn't it Achilles who spent a couple of years cross dressing as a girl while hiding out to avoid a fight?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_on_Skyros
~ https://youtu.be/AY3OgLo8DUc?t=14Buenos noches Senores y Senoras Bienvenidos La primera pregunta es: Que es mas macho, pineapple o knife? Well, let's see My guess is that a pineapple is more macho than a knife Si! Correcto! Pineapple es mas macho que knife La segunda pregunta es: Que es mas macho, lightbulb o schoolbus? Uh, lightbulb? No! Lo siento, Schoolbus es mas macho que lightbulb Gracias. And we'll be back in un momento- dyauspitr 6小时前I hate these gotchas but I can’t resist and it’s on a flagged comment so no one is really going to see this. Are you saying trans people are just cross-dressers?
- tsimionescu 6小时前No, it just suggests that to call Achilles "macho" is extremely weird. And the GP didn't even mention his extreme emotionality at the death of his lover, Patrocles, which is like half his plot in the Illiad.
- dyauspitr 6小时前I don’t think it’s a rumor. There’s literally a shot of her in the trailer.
- xdennis 6小时前You can't have a 1.55m woman play the greatest Greek hero of all time. It's an insult to Greek culture. If Sydney Sweeney played Martin Luther King it would be equally insulting.
- tsimionescu 49分钟前A big part of Achilles' story in the Illiad is that he was hidden among a group of princesses, and that Odysseus had to use a trick to figure out which of the princesses he was. So, even though in other places he is described as quite manly, it also makes sense to portray him as having more feminine features if referencing this part of the canon.
I'd also note that Elliott Page is, of course, not a woman.
- michaelmrose 6小时前If Greek machismo were blemished by mere fiction it would always have been eggshell thin. I have a feeling it shall hold up just fine as it has for millennia.
- dyauspitr 6小时前Somehow Sydney Sweeney playing MLK or Samuel L Jackson playing Adolf Hitler actually sounds interesting though.
- romanhn 10小时前> the fragment contains lines from Book 2’s epic “catalogue of ships,” which lists all the vessels the Achaean army sends off to Troy
It's been about 30 years since I've read The Iliad, but I remember that chapter as the worst part of the book. Just pages upon pages of names and where they came from. I wonder what significance it held for the buried individual to have been specifically included so.
- lubujackson 7小时前This is an old technique that appears in Beowulf and other classic texts that came from oral traditions: it is cataloging. It is often used to list treasured collected or in this case to show expansiveness of the fleet (and memory of the teller, perhaps?)
Think about 10 year olds talking about all the different candies they are going to devour on Halloween night to get a sense of how it is meant to resonate with a crowd.
- zeafoamrun 43分钟前People loved that damn catalogue enough to be buried with it! I guess tastes have changed.
- psb5 8小时前Sounds like an Order of Battle that armies publish these days after a war which documents the entire list of units, unit size, commander, equipment, experience etc etc
- pmcarlton 8小时前Maybe the undertaker agreed with you about it being the worst part, and that's why they used it for the burial!
- rsalus 8小时前often times the classical Greeks + Romans would cite their family lineage using works of Homer and other poets
- RobotToaster 6小时前I imagine it served a similar purpose as a modern war memorial.
- burnerRhodov3 8小时前probably traced his lineage back to one of those vessels.
- atombender 12小时前Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47864056 (247 points, 93 comments, 28 days ago)
- stingrae 13小时前This reminds me of a piece I just saw at the Legion of Honor (SF) special exhibit on the etruscans. They have a Etruscan manuscript, written on linen, that was used to wrap a mummy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Linteus
- hungryhobbit 12小时前Ironically a huge percentage of the historical documents we had came from "the garbage", and/or other cases of people reusing documents for other purposes.
In large part this was because paper was incredibly expensive back then, so it got used for one purpose, used again for another, and that continued until you were out of room ... at which point it may get used yet again (for say mummy wrapping).
Another classic example: Jews believed you couldn't burn a piece of paper once you wrote the name of God on it, so there were special towers in ancient cities for Jews to throw away their paper. But again, because paper was so expensive, each paper often had lots of other things on it.
Because these towers were sometimes preserved better than libraries were, historians have found huge treasure troves of saved papers in them. Like the mummy wrappings, they only still exist due to a special quirk of ancient peoples ... but because of the price of paper they have lots of other non-mummy-wrapping/non-God's name stuff.
- RobotToaster 6小时前Even in relatively modern times people would write letters in both directions to save paper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossed_letter
- AftHurrahWinch 11小时前> Jews believed you couldn't burn a piece of paper once you wrote the name of God on it, so there were special towers in ancient cities for Jews to throw away their paper.
Fascinating!
The Cairo Genizah
Located in the Ben Ezra Synagogue in Fustat (Old Cairo), Egypt, this particular Genizah was a massive, windowless attic room built high into the structure. To put papers in it, the synagogue's caretaker had to climb a tall ladder and drop the documents through a hole in the wall. Because the local community never got around to burying the papers, this high, hidden room acted like a time capsule for over a thousand years. When it was rediscovered in the late 19th century, it contained nearly 300,000 manuscript fragments.
- thelock85 7小时前I recently bought a book, Letters of Medieval Jewish Traders, curated from these fragments.
- markdown 8小时前Where I grew up, fish and chips was wrapped in actual newspaper.
- pjmlp 6小时前Same with grilled chestnuts in Portugal, nowadays they use paper bags.
- colechristensen 8小时前>In large part this was because paper was incredibly expensive back then
The largest contributor to having garbage as historical sources for western European cultures was the millennium-long program of genocide and cultural destruction perpetrated by Christians against anything or anyone non-Christian they could get their hands on.
It's no coincidence the few primary sources for pre-Christian religion we have from Europe comes from Iceland... it was the furthest away. Surviving works of European mythology like Beowulf and Snorri's eddas are filled with Christian references because that's the only way they survived.
Much much more existed 1600 years ago and would have survived if the empire had not converted.
- baud147258 13小时前I am a little disappointed the tomb where the mummy was found is from the time where Egypt was part of the Roman Empire. At this point ancient Egypt had been a colony of Rome for quite some time and beforehand a Greek/Macedonian colony for a few more centuries (under the Ptolemaic dynasty, founded by a general of Alexander the Great). If it was from a previous era, it would have been a much more interesting find (in my eyes).
- lkrubner 12小时前The Iliad was written after the classical era of Bronze Age Egypt, so no classical age mummy could be buried with the Iliad because it didn't exist yet.
- bee_rider 4小时前That would have made it all the more exciting! Although less likely.
- brudgers 8小时前At this point ancient Egypt had been a colony of Rome for quite some time and beforehand a Greek/Macedonian colony for a few more centuries
Before that, Egypt was mostly been ruled by invaders since the end of the New Kingdom around 1000 BCE.
Basically, with few exceptions Egypt was not ruled by a indigenous ruler for about 3000 years until Nassar.
- gerdesj 12小时前The article describes the veneration Roman -> (old) Greek -> (old) Egyptian and this finding appears to show that the veneration went both ways.
Frankly I can understand that: Homer really did smash out an absolute banger with Iliad. I might ask for a copy in my grave too, when the time comes.
The whole point of the article appears to be that when civilizations overlap, the "good old days" becomes a two way street (to gargle metaphors). I do find that interpretation very interesting and it fits in with my world view that history ("historia" - Latin for "story") is generally rather more complicated than many would like it to be to fit their current (or current as was) world view.
- shakna 12小时前I would hope for some further fragment of the Cypria to be uncovered.
- tiahura 11小时前The Catalog of Ships is certainly the section I want to be buried with.
- kombookcha 7小时前Actually, now that I think about it, I guess there is a certain type of Tolkien nerd who would choose the long listing of elf lineages as the section to have in their pocket for their funeral.
I see your supernerd cred flex, mummified guy!
- stinkbeetle 5小时前Back then, ships might almost have felt like the starships of our scifi today. Capsules that can transport mankind beyond the limits of the known universe to discover strange new worlds and civilizations. Certainly worthy of epic cataloging.
- BobbyTables2 9小时前Died trying to read it all?
- nullbio 9小时前I'm sure this is just a giant coincidence, given the timing of Chris Nolan's new movie, and couldn't possibly be fraud.
- prawn 1小时前One possibility is that the finding as news is more likely to resonate and reach print given the looming movie?
- bawolff 8小时前I mean, this is one of the most important works of ancient literature. The movie probably doesn't move the needle on how important the find is.
Also if it was fraud to capitalize on the movie, wouldn't they use the odyssey instead of the iliad?
- adrianwaj 6小时前The article sounds convincing enough, but discoveries can easily be faked, just like crop circles can be made by farmers using rake-like devices.
Luxor and Las Vegas = same thing.
Not trolling, but it's worth keeping this notion in mind. It's great for tourism and building mystique. At least when there is fakery, it's makes the real thing all the more valuable.
Fakery sells movie tickets - it can sell plane tickets too.
People still love Milli Vanilli - so many don't even care because it's just entertainment.
How much of history is real, how much is entertainment (and diversion) by vested interests and the "winners" ?
- justanotherjoe 11分钟前You find it hard to believe...that Iliad was big? that 400 AD Egyptian medical practices involved quackeries?